Old-world cabaret collides with modernity in this unique Brooklyn-based ensemble. Barbez wrings elements of European folksong, post-war classical, and experimental rock into an otherworldly soundscape. On November 11th at Roulette, Barbez will be performing new works, including selections from a forthcoming album for John Zorn’s Tzadik label inspired by ancient Roman-Jewish melodies, the Nazi occupation of Rome, and Italian neorealist cinema. Joining the group as special guests will be vocalist Shelley Hirsch and dancers Juliette Mapp and Kayvon Pourazar. We talked to founder of Barbez, guitarist Dan Kaufman about their upcoming concert.
ROULETTE: Tell us as about the work you’ll be doing at Roulette.
DAN KAUFMAN: We’ll be performing a variety of things at this show. For the past year and a half we’ve been working on a new record for John Zorn that’s built around ancient Roman-Jewish melodies. (I discovered this music at an artist’s colony when a wonderful composer named Yotam Haber, who is also working with these melodies in a different context, introduced me to them and we collaborated on a film score for a documentary about the Jews of Rome). The Jewish community of Rome is the oldest in Europe and is neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardi–their arrival, in the 2nd century B.C., predates the diaspora. So their music, though it has changed over the years, still retains a different quality than East European or North African Jewish music. We’ve re-imagined these melodies to fit our sound and also to loosely tell the story, with fragments of text and other sonic details, of the period of Nazi occupation of Rome, when despite the community being under the ostensible protection of the Vatican, 1,000 Jews from Rome were rounded up and sent to Auschwitz. Fifteen of them survived that deporation.
We’ll also be performing a few excerpts from a separate forthcoming album that’s a kind of protest album concerning the wars in the Middle East since 9/11. This pieces come out of my interest in history and working as a fact-checker to the great investigative reporter Seymour Hersh.
We are also going to perform two excerpts from Juliette Mapp’s recent dance show, “The Making of Americans,” which premiered at Dance Theatre Workshop last April. We are thrilled to have Juliette and her fellow dancer Kayvon Pourazar dance these pieces, which we composed recorded music to for the show. The show was inspired by Juliette’s Albanian immigrant family that settled in Gary, Indiana to work in the steel mills and Gertrude Stein’s seminal novel of the same name. There will also be accompanying video made by John Jesurun for one of the segments.
Lastly, our dear friend and a musical hero of mine, Shelley Hirsch, is going to sit in with us on a couple of things. I’ll leave that as a surprise.
The people in the band, John, Danny, Catherine, Peter, and Peter all came to the project at different times and from vastly different backgrounds (jazz, Balkan, classical, rock, etc). They are the most stunning and wonderful group of musicians one could hope to work with and the musical diversity they bring to the project is essential. I also want to mention a dear friend and longtime collaborator, Pamelia Kurstin, a brilliant thereminist who will always be a part of the Barbez family, but is based in Vienna now.
R: Are there working artists today with whose work you identify, or rather, who do you consider to be your peers?
DK: Not sure about peers, I tend to think most of these people are beyond me, but I identify with many people working today, one of whom, Shelley Hirsch, I am honored to have join us for this performance. A few of the other musicians and groups I admire are Secret Chiefs 3, Marc Ribot’s Ceramic Dog, Swans, Spires That in the Sunset Rise, Rebecca Moore (who is sadly not too active at the moment), Faun Fables, Shahzad Ismaily, Dan Coates, and the recently broken up Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.
R: What are some defining characteristics of the musical scene you would fit yourself into? What elements of your scene differentiate it from what has come before, or what is happening now?
DK: I think the roots of the scene I come out of was a very brief period in New York in the mid 90s, which for me centered around a short-lived band called Motherhead Bug. I briefly joined a kind of related band of Motherhead Bug’s called Sulfur and from there I started playing with other bands, such as Dawn McCarthy’s Vardo, that were pushing the boundaries and opening up what a rock band was. It was around this time that I formed Barbez, which was built around musical heterodoxy and taking in whatever we loved. I’m not sure where that scene is now, and we’ve changed a bit too, and are less connected to it, but that’s maybe part of where we come out of.
R: What was the last music you listened to?
DK: Bob Marley. My two-year old son has recently fallen in love with reggae and dances to Marley each morning.
R: Do you consider yourself more a composer or a performer?
DK: I think it’s about even, lately maybe more of a composer, or at least that’s more where my focus and aspirations have been.
R: Is there an event or experience that led you to start in experimental media?
DK: I suppose what led me to experimental work was my roots and involvement in the punk rock scene in my hometown of Madison, Wisconsin in the 1980s, which was quite heterodox. Groups like the Appliances-SFB and Die Kruezen (from nearby Milwaukee) were breaking exciting new ground in music and were absolutely thrilling live. Later, I was turned on to John Zorn, Fred Frith, Fiona Templeton, Richard Foreman and John Jesurun and many others connected to the downtown New York experimental arts community, which I loved immensely and which also had a profound effect on me. But it was punk rock that initially opened my eyes and ears to experimental work.
R: Who do you see as instrumental in your development as an artist?
DK: Many people. Fiona Templeton, a fantastic language poet and playwright, was a huge influence on me, both for her work and her unbelievable commitment. John Jesurun, an extraordinary, writer, filmmaker, and theatrical visionary (we will be screening a bit of John’s video during one of the dance sections of the performance) who I’ve been fortunate enough to collaborate with on several occasions. My wife, Juliette Mapp, a sublime dancer whose inspirations it would take me years to detail. Martin Bisi, the deservedly legendary engineer, producer and musician, who has recorded all of our albums and whose creativity and attention to detail are remarkable. Seymour Hersh, the sui generis investigative reporter who broke both the story of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam in 1969 and also the torture scandal at Abu Ghraib prison in 2004 and who I worked closely with for several years while working as a fact-checker at the New Yorker.
R: Do you do other things aside from music?
DK: The main other thing I do is work as a writer and researcher in journalism. I’ve written about a variety of things, including music, by my main literary passion, and what I’ve written the most on, is the Spanish Civil War of the 1930s.
R: Other thoughts?
DK: I’d like to add that the new Roulette space is beautiful and is filling a vital need in the city. It’s particular great to have a new space committed to presenting experimental dance and theatre as well.