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Interview: Phill Niblock


Phill Niblock performs his Winter Solstice concert every year at Roulette.  The event is six sublime hours of music (acoustic and electronic) and mixed media film and video in a live procession that charts the movement of our planet and the progress of ourselves through art and performance at is maximal best.

We spoke with Phill Niblock about the evolution of his work and his own series at his Experimental Music Foundation, founded in 1968, which was a huge part of the experimental music world at the time that Roulette was born.

R: Your annual solstice concert celebrates the longest night of the year. How has your work or your way of thinking about your work evolved over the last year?

PN: Well. This event has been going on since 1976, first at Experimental Intermedia, and recently at Roulette. And it was originally eight hours long.
But in the past few years, my output of work has gone up. From October 2 2013 to October 2 2014 (my birthdays), I made 14 new pieces of music, about 6 hours of music, enough to fill the entire six hour program.

R: Your use of prolonged dissonance has the effect of almost physicalizing sound, as if it is something the audience can interact with at will. Your installation work suggests an attention to the theme of interactivity, but to what degree does that guide your composition?PN: Only, in that I interact with the materials (sound) that I am working with. I have recorded tones by a musician playing a specific instrument (a piece for bassoon is coming next) that I am placing into the form that the music will take, using multitrack software to amass the tonal aggregation that will be the final work. And I am interested in that physical presence the music will have in the performance space, one of the reasons for the volume of sound which I use.

R: You also direct the presenting organization, Experimental Intermedia. Can you tell us a little about that organization and your current season?

PN: I began producing concerts in 1973, because I was in a big space with a sound system, and there were many music people needing to make public presentations. It was called “Concerts by Composers”, to distinguish the series from an ensemble or band emphasis. EI was founded by the late Elaine Summers in 1968, and I was a member artist, so we could apply for funding with the non-profit organization. Since I could leave the sound system in place, it was easy to convert to doing concerts. It grew to being about 50 concerts a year, soon. Not so many now. I was touring and meeting many composers, both internationally and nationally, so the variety of the experimental musics was wide. And still is.

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R. Roulette and Experimental Intermedia have a lot in common – from the type of artists programmed to their mutual starting point in downtown Manhattan lofts. How have the two grown alongside each other?  What differentiates them?

PN: We both (Jim Staley and I) have a feeling for helping/producing other artists, the reason for both of us to start producing concerts.
But that idea was more forceful for Jim, so he almost always produced more concerts. That is particularly true in the past twenty years, where EI produces about 15 to 20 concerts a year, and Roulette – countless.
And, I have stayed in the loft where I also live.

R: You first came to New York as a photographer and eventually moved onto filmmaking. Do you see your music as arising out of the same artistic instinct as the more visual-based mediums in which you work?

PN: I came to NY (1958) then started to do photography, in 1960. Then film in 1965 and music in 1968. All close together. I was hanging around the Judson Dance Theater (Judson Church), beginning to do film with Elaine Summers and I wanted to make an intermedia piece with multiple film images and music and dancers. So I did in 1968, and again in 1969, ’71 and ’72, and that was the first music. There is no relationship between the music and the other media, they simply co-exist in the event, then and until now.

R: Are there any recent technological innovations that you find particularly exciting for the future of experimental art? What types of innovations would you like to see in the coming years?

PN: I am just trying to use what is around now, ever better. But the digital age will not stand still, so I will continue to adapt to the new technology. In the most recent years, I have made more new music than ever before, and also new HD video projects. I expect to play mostly the newest pieces of music and also show the latest videos on my December 21st concert at Roulette.

Purchase tickets here for Phill Niblock’s Winter Solstice Concert on December 21, 2015.

Experimental Intermedia Foundation

Phill Niblock’s Winter Solstice is made possible in part with public funds from the New York State Council on the Arts’ Electronic Media and Film Presentation Funds grant program, administered by the ARTS Council of the Southern Fingerlakes.

Interview: Ikue Mori + Sylvie Courvoisier


Roulette brings together four master improvisors – saxophonist Evan Parker, pianist Sylvie Courvoisier, violinist Mark Feldman, and electronic musician Ikue Mori for a rare quartet appearance on September 23. We sat down with Sylvie Courvoisier and Ikue Mori to discuss release plans for the recording, future plans, and more.Can you describe the program you will be presenting at Roulette on September 23?

SC: I’m super excited to be playing with my favorite musicians, Mark Feldman on violin, Evan Parker on soprano and tenor, and Ikue Mori on electronics. It is super fun to play with them, I feel all possibilities and paths are open with them.

How did this collaboration come together?

SC: Evan Parker asked to play a concert with this quartet on the last day of his Stone residency last year. We all really thought it was a great gig, and decided we should record it and play more gigs.

What are the release plans for the recording?

SC: We recorded yesterday in a studio in Yonkers. The album will be released on Intakt Records, sometimes in 2016!

IM: It was last fall during Evan’s Stone Residency, when we’ve first played together. We were playing with each other in different combinations, but 4 of us never played together before. It was like magic, everything was so beautiful and memorable and we have been trying to play again since. Then Intakt Records was interested in recording and releasing the CD and that brought us together again here and we are very happy to be able to perform at Roulette this time.

Aside from your collaboration with Evan Parker, Ikue Mori, and Mark Feldman, what other projects are you working on at the moment?

SC: I have a trio with Kenny Wollesen and Drew Gress. play solo concerts, and regularly in duo with Mark Feldman (we just performed some of John Zorn’s bagatelles) and will go on the road next month playing our own compositions and a new pieces of mark for string 4tet and piano. I have been working as a pianist and composer for flamenco dancer Israel Galvan’s project “la Curva” and have my last tour with them coming up soon. Also currently playing and touring in different projects of John Zorn (Masada Marathon + bagatelles + Cobra). We are leaving next week for Bogota for a Masada Marathon and then a couple duo and solo concerts in Equador.

You have a strong connection to the composer John Zorn, who presented Masada Book Three – The Book Beriah at Roulette last week. How did you first become involved with him?

IM: In late 80s he first introduced me to the improvising world and opened new door for me. Since then he invited me to many different projects like Locus Solus, Cobra, Electric Masada, Essential Cinema, and classical ensembles, and because of him and Tzadik I was able to produce and release many recordings.

You are known for your drum work in the seminal no-wave band, DNA. Can you talk about the process of transitioning from playing live drums to using drum machines?

IM: In the late 80s I first found the drum machine, and I was really into programing drum patterns like how I play drums. Then it became more like a compositional tool. At the same time I was learning and practicing to play the machine like an instrument. In the 2000s the laptop computer came along and that became my instrument.

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Interview: Robert Een

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Robert Een returns to Roulette on Tuesday, June 23rd joined by an all-star cast of musicians in an evening of new music. Coming out of the Downtown Music scene his influences are far ranging from Julius Eastman to Nino Rota, Meredith Monk to J.S. Bach, and a little bit of Igor Stravinsky and John Cage thrown in. Driven by cello and voice, Een orchestrates saxophones, accordion, hammer dulcimer and drum kit for a fresh take on concert music in the 21st century.

Could you please describe the program you are presenting at Roulette?

For my concert at Roulette I will be presenting music written over the past thirty-six years of living and working in New York. I have known Jim Staley for nearly all of those thirty-six years, having performed in three different Roulette venues, migrating from Tribeca to Soho to Brooklyn.

The program will feature the New York premiere of new music I just completed for “Lighthouse”, commissioned by Judy Dworin Performance Project. Also on the program will be excerpts from my Walt Whitman song cycle “Subtle Electric Fire”, and “Out Beyond” inspired by words of the 13th century Sufi poet Rumi. Lyrical vocals and overtone singing co-exist in all of these pieces.

What Hendrix did for the guitar, freeing it from its previous role and expectations, Robert Een does for the cello.”
– Richard Kadray, San Francisco Chronicle

“Rarely is new music this much fun. Suavely post-minimalist.”
– Kyle Gann, Village Voice

The two quotations above situate your work as something quite special in new music. What about your work do you think draws these observations?

What is your compositional approach?

At the age of ten I began playing the cello. I have always approached the cello not only as a melodic instrument of supremely expressive character, but also as a rhythm instrument that can be strummed, plucked and drummed with fingers or bow. Besides these finger techniques, use of harmonics, is prominent in my writing for cello.

This conceptual approach to the cello – not being limited by the traditional idea of the instrument – is what I believe elicited the statement by Richard Kadray of the San Francisco Chronicle.

I approach singing in the same way – not being limited by traditional ideas. The voice is indeed the original instrument. I have been singing all my life – school choirs, church choirs, barbershop quartet, Elizabethan art song and folk melodies from Appalachia, Sweden and Cambodia. In Kyoto, Japan I studied the unique vocal expression of the No Theater. In New York I studied western opera singing. Since a trip to Tibet in 1985 I have been a practitioner of overtone singing. Together these diverse styles infuse my writing. My solos for voice and cello are actually duets. While singing and playing simultaneously, I blend and articulate the contrapuntal interplay between these two “voices”.

Rhythmically odd meters with propulsive energy built around an ostinato–often provided by the cello–propels much of my music. Drums and percussion as well as soaring melody and melodic variations are prominent as well. I enjoy creating music with humor and irony – through lyrics, musical fragment or unexpected rhythmic accents.

I take a page from Bach and don’t always assign a specific part to a specific instrument. In this way a given composition evolves with each time it’s performed and may sound totally different from the version heard earlier.

Who will be joining you for your program?

I will be joined by a stellar group of musicians. Each has recorded and performed with me on numerous occasions. In choosing musicians I always look for highly skilled artists adept at both reading and improvisation, who are able to bring a distinct character and voice to the music. With this requirement and the eclectic nature of today’s music all have performed and recorded with a wide variety of artists in diverse musical styles and are accomplished composers themselves.

Robert Een – voice & cello
Ellen Gerdes – voice
Steve Elson – saxophones and duduk
Bill Ruyle – hammer dulcimer & frame drum
Jeff Berman – lap dulcimer and vibraphone
Cliff Hackford – drum set

Beautiful singing always inspires me and Ellen Gerdes certainly does. Her warm, pure tone is coupled with a uncanny knack for extended techniques.

Steve Elson is widely regarded as one of the premiere reed players in New York City. I have been fortunate to have him perform with me for over twenty years. In addition to soprano sax, tenor sax and clarinet he plays the duduk, one of the oldest and most haunting of musical instruments.

My work has a vigorous rhythmic element, so not surprisingly half the ensemble are percussionists.

Bill Ruyle, master of the hammer dulcimer, brings both superb technique and musicianship to this ancient trapezoidal instrument with ninety-four strings. He is a stalwart of the downtown scene but has also played uptown for numerous Broadway shows.

Jeff Berman first performed with me in the late ‘90s. We’ve been playing ever since. He makes the vibraphone sing like no one I’ve ever heard. He also plays the lap dulcimer, a strummed instrument traditionally associated with Appalachia, but in Jeff’s hands (or lap) it sounds unlike anything you have ever heard.

Cliff Hackford on drum set has excelled in just about every style of drumming from rock, Reggae and jazz to world music. He was with me on my latest India tour. His subtle, percussive dynamics are wonderfully supportive.


Interview: Amirtha Kidambi

Amirtha Kidambi by Reuben Radding

Could you please describe the program your quartet Elder Ones will be presenting at Roulette on June 22?

The timing of this Jerome Commission is nothing short of cosmic for me. I was just starting to cultivate a language for solo improvisation, spending hours by myself singing in as unconscious a way that I possibly could. What started to develop was a non-lyrical, syllabic style that reflected some of the work I did with Darius Jones, my auto-didactic shedding of Carnatic ragas with the syllables for the swaras (notes), and my classical training using different vowel types to easily access different registers of my voice (open vowels on top, neutral vowels on the bottom, closed vowels in the mid-range etc).

As I was doing this, I came back to the harmonium, an instrument I’ve been singing Hindu devotional music with since I was a kid. The harmonium facilitated a non-harmonic drone based music, which is primarily modal. I also realized that I enjoyed playing a “bass-line” or counterpoint on the harmonium while singing, or doing parallel lines and harmonizing with the harmonium because I liked the sound of the timbre of my voice with the reed sound of the instrument.

The result is music that has repeating grooves, that has long exploratory sections in modes over drones, and some really out playing by all of us, with me utilizing some pretty viscerally intense parts of my voice to match the intensity of my really amazing instrumentalists. The actual concept for the pieces came way after the musical ideas. I read a lot, watch a lot of stuff, think a lot, have conversations, and live my life hoping that all of that will naturally seep into my music. I find it restrictive to have a whole concept in mind before I start (which is why I find lyrics restricting and working with composers inhibiting). The music folks will hear on June 22nd, is a result of exploring these ideas, collaborating with these incredible musicians, and trying to figure out what my ideal kind of music-making looks like.

The piece is a four-part suite that is named for the four ages or Yugas in Hindu theology. The ages are essentially eons where thousands upon thousands of years make up each of these cycles of time. The four cycles come together to form one gigantic time cycle that started with creation, ends with destruction, and eventually resets. We’re currently in the last cycle, the most sinister one called the Kali-Yuga, which is supposed to culminate in destruction. The first eon called the Satya-Yuga or Age of Truth began millions of years ago and lasted over a million years. The idea is that we’ve been in decline ever since. This idea of large time cycles also corresponds in an interesting way to the scientific idea of geologic time or deep time, describing the millions of years in cycles of time in nature and the evolution of the earth. The movements of the suite go from meditative states with clear modes, drones and lyrical melodies, to thornier and more corrupted musical ideas like an entire piece in whole tone with large dissonant leaps and angular rhythms, and culminating with the Kali-Yuga that has nasty mode containing three consecutive half-steps and a tritone, and also deals with complexity like harmony. Things got real complicated for human beings in the Kali-Yuga.

One of the pieces was named “For Eric Garner” when I first conceived it, before it became a part of this suite. I still think of it that way, and want to dedicate the whole set to all victims of state violence.

As a fellow Lovecraft acolyte, could you tell us the etymology of “Elder Ones”?

There is definitely a theme to what I’ve been feeding my brain in the past several months. I’ve basically been obsessing over all things dealing with the “ancient”. I recently came back from Greece, which was mind-blowing. Dealing with my heritage, inherently means I’m dealing with the ancient. I finally embarked on learning the 1000 names of Lord Vishnu (Vishnu Sahasranamam), an ancient chant that you will hear excerpted in the piece. People have been learning this thing for thousands of years by ear! I’m totally fascinated with the passing down of traditions like this over spans of time that are incomprehensible. I also became really fascinated with the idea of pre-historic man. I’m talking pre-language human beings, who co-existed with other species of human beings. Neanderthals! Can you believe there were so many different species of man roaming around at the same time? Reading Lovecraft totally touches that same part of my imagination. The idea of some Elder race, or the Elder Ones existing 50 million years ago coming from outer space and pre-dating anything we knew existing in terms of civilization. I just love that. I think about ancestors, Elder Ones a lot. The connection we have to all of the humanity or inhumanity that has come before us. The pre-language alien race thing also has a major connection to my work with Darius Jones and the EC-Unit. Communication without language, in other words, singing! Oh and of course, True Detective.

Mother Tongues is something I’ve always wanted to name a project, so it became the umbrella name for the music I wrote for this group. Growing up Indian, there’s always this question of “what’s your mother tongue”. The idea is that India is a nation, and we are all ethnically Indian, but we can come from vastly different culture and traditions based on the language your mother spoke, representing the region and how you identify. In India there’s hundreds of distinct languages, so I grew up speaking my mother tongue Tamil and also hearing some Telugu because of where my dad grew up. As a musician and a person I think a lot about my cultural background and how it impacts me today in who I am and what I do. I consider myself American as well, and English was equally present for me. I think this pretty much reflects the general cultural clash of my musical and personal life. It also reflects the amalgamation of so many different musical languages in my musical offering.

How did Elder Ones come to be, and how does Elder Ones achieve a synthesis of these varied influences?

I spent last summer improvising with a number of different musicians to help expand my developing vocabulary for vocal improvisation. I had just met bassist Brandon Lopez and found him really striking as a personality and a player. We did a duo session at Issue Project Room and it was really fun to talk about music and play free. Max Jaffe is a drummer and musician I’ve always wanted to play with for his virtuosity and versatility. I also knew I wanted another reed instrument to compliment the harmonium, and being a Coltrane devotee have always loved the sound of the soprano saxophone (similar to the Nagaswaram in South India), later added the extraordinarily creative Matt Nelson. The music started to develop out of playing with those guys and being informed by their musical styles and evolved into a sound where the bass and harmonium would be doubled often, where drones would permeate and serve as transition points between composed sections, and where we could easily move through fixed material and free playing. Being free from lyrics allowed me to focus on improvising, timbre, microtonality, arranging, and dealing exclusively with musical material like rhythm, melody, and finally eventually some non-functional harmony. The fact that we all come from really different musical backgrounds is reflected in the playing. The writing draws heavily on gospel jazz and blues, Carnatic modes and rhythm, late Coltrane and definitely Alice Coltrane, and my background in the performance of 20th and 21st century music, as well as new music. Improvisation is beautiful in the way that it makes it very easy and natural to traverse all this different ground, because the goal is to really sound like yourself. My own thing is all mixed up, so I think you hear that. I found weirdos who are equally multifaceted, so the results are a bunch of mixed up and curious folks coming together to find a sound.

What is your background as a composer and vocalist?

My academic training is in Western Classical music, so I studied all the greats and enjoyed some of that very much. I have those chops, so to speak. As I moved into specializing in avant-garde and contemporary composition, I started to become more and more dissatisfied with executing other people’s ideas, especially if I don’t particularly believe in them. I also got tired of how institutional it was, and like many institutions had an element of racial bias and lack of diversity. I still work with composers of new music that I find inspire my own creativity, such as Robert Ashley, Charlie Looker, and Darius Jones. My work with Darius had a big impact on the work I’m doing currently. The EC-Unit project was so incredibly freeing in the way we dealt with time, musical choices and most of all timbre. He wanted us to sound like ourselves, to use the music to find our individual voices. We would go from growling or screaming, to singing intense harmony and lyrical melodies. It was notated with lots of room for freedom and abstract syllables instead of lyrics. I got more and more addicted to that freedom and found myself desiring a type of music making that was not yet offered to me, or that I had not yet allowed myself to do.

When I was younger, I thought because I was a singer, I had to be a songwriter. I’ve always been in rock bands and as a vocalist felt like I had to write “songs”. Well, I’ve finally realized I’m not a songwriter. I’m not into that verse/chorus stuff and always have more musical ideas than I ever had lyrical ones. Free improvisation unlocked the part of my brain related to writing. I write through singing, through improvising and that process leaves me with a handful of musical ideas that develop into large multi-section pieces, with a lot of room to explore. I like repetition, because I like having the time to let ideas sink in and manipulate them. My long obsession with composers like Alice and John Coltrane and Pharoah Sanders is definitely clear in the way I put my pieces together….simple ideas that you can get lost in for a long time. Carnatic music has that too. I’m currently studying that tradition and hoping to get deeper into that.

As a Jerome commission recipient, was your program conceived with Roulette’s hall in mind? How so?

I have to say, it wasn’t. It’s music that is made to exist in any setting, because I want it to have a long life. I want to play in clubs, churches, halls, anywhere. What Roulette and the Jerome Commission has done for me, is forced me to have the courage to finally present my music. It is a huge step for me, and the commission is basically the beginning of this long journey, jump starting a recording project to make an album that will be released later this year, and also hopefully lots of playing, touring and more records. That’s invaluable. I’m not sure I would have been able to do it all at this pace if I didn’t have the push and the pressure of presenting a concert like this. I’m thrilled and I’m hooked. I want to be doing this band and other projects of my own for a long time.

Interview: Lesley Flanigan

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Lesley Flanigan presents Voices, a new work for vocal ensemble and electronics that expands her sculptural music-making approach from speaker electronics to the human voice at Roulette on June 12

Could you tell us more about Voices?

Voices will be my first concert of music just for voice. It will be an extension of my work with speaker feedback, thinking about amplification as a central process in electronic sound, but for this show I’m removing my feedback instruments to focus entirely on voice.  It centers around a new piece I’m creating for four singers, including myself. Each singer will have a loop pedal, and the piece will be built upon a sort of sculptural layering of the live voices: building dense textures, whittling them down, thinking about live vs. sampled sound.

I am interested in the electronics of amplification – using microphones and speakers. I like drawing attention to amplified sound vs acoustic sound in my performances. In addition to magnifying sounds far beyond their natural reach, amplification also creates the ability to record and play back sound over and over again. In my performances, I use a looping pedal to collect numerous pitches, tones and melodic threads to build layers upon layers of sound. As this dense sound cluster grows and expands, what started out as a single voice suddenly becomes a massive chorus built upon itself so many times… layers of amplification.

How do you approach “sculptural music-making”? What is your compositional approach?

My composed music emerges from a mess of recordings that I do over and over and over again. They start out as improvisations, then I begin to repeat certain ideas, honing and shaping their sound until they become a repeatable composition.

I experience music composition as a pushing and pulling of sound material over a period of time. My live performances are mostly also a compositional process. I start with silence and then build up sound material, deciding over time whether I should add more material or take some away, and so on. Since my music usually involves feedback, I think of these performances specifically as live processes, responding to the moment.

Voices will be pre-composed, though I use that loosely as the ‘score’ will be more a series of pitches and gestures and will have a lot of flexibility in timing, and phrasing. 

The transformation “from speaker electronics to the human voice” suggests one of the primary dialogues in electronic music. Are there extramusical themes your work seeks to explore?

Voice is the only pure analog instrument there is. No one developed and designed the voice instrument for others to play; evolution did. Voice is not technology. In order to make the voice into an electronic instrument, we need to bring in external technology: microphones and speakers.

I love raw, natural voice because it is imperfect and real. I want to hear it huge and hear it small, and multiply it a thousand times, from a single tone. So for me, that is the dialogue between acoustic and electronic sound, which acts as an extension of the acoustic source.

As a Jerome resident, was Voices conceived with the acoustic properties of Roulette’s concert hall in mind? How so?

For years now, I have wanted to do a project for voice alone. The open-endedness of the Roulette residency, and the time I’m given in the actual venue to work with my singers is invaluable. Having the opportunity to work with my singers in Roulette while developing this piece gives me a chance to truly adapt these voices, volumes, and staging to the acoustics of the space. I love the space and find it inspiring: its wide stage, that the audience is not deep. It’s small enough to jump between amplified and unamplified sound. It’s an intimate concert hall, which is a bit of a contradiction. Voices will be built in this context.

Interview: Wet Ink Large Ensemble

Wet Ink

Wet Ink presents an evening of intriguing new music for large ensemble by Mahir Cetiz, Katherine Young and David Franszon alongside recent chamber pieces by Sam Pluta and Alex Mincek, performed by the Wet Ink Large Ensemble – a unique collection of NYC’s most ferocious new music interpreters — at Roulette on Monday, June 8

Could you please describe the program Wet Ink is presenting at Roulette?

The Wet Ink Large Ensemble is our platform to showcase ambitious, large-scale works by exciting composers from around the world.  Our program on June 8th features 3 works for large ensemble by NYC and Chicago-based composers David Franzson, Mahir Cetiz, and Katherine Young, alongside 2 chamber pieces by Wet Ink composers Alex Mincek and Sam Pluta.  All of these artists share a penchant for musical exploration, and this program will reveal myriad ways that the composers have delved into the essence of sound, from extreme amplification of complex micro-textures (Young & Franzson), to inventive and masterful orchestration (Cetiz & Mincek), and the harnessing of acoustic phenomena, manifested as an abstract visual representation of sound (Pluta).

David Franzson’s on Matter and Materiality is a concerto for cello and ensemble, or, in a sense, a piece for solo cellist with the ensemble amplifying the sounds and actions of the soloist, the relationship between them as if they are a part of the same body.  The solo cello is tuned extremely low and dramatically amplified, an incredible sound to behold.  Wet Ink will be joined by the unflappable virtuoso Mariel Roberts in the World Premiere of the revised version of the piece.

Katherine Young’s like a halo, only involving dust and water, not ice also takes minute, multiphonic sounds as a starting point, but this time in prepared/amplified violin and amplified voice.  The ensemble orchestrates rich textures based on the “halo” sound of the severely detuned and amplified violin.

Sam Pluta’s Sixty Cycles is a work based on the harmonic series of 60 cycle hum (the frequency of electric current in the US).  Telephone pickups are placed on two televisions and connected to a mixer and microphones, creating a controlled feedback loop of visuals and 60 Hz harmonics.  This soundscape, along with microtonal violin & cello drones, creates an accompaniment for ferocious sopranino saxophone acrobatics, which will be realized in performance by the incredible Ryan Muncy, for whom the piece was written.

Mahir Cetiz’s mise-en-abyme and Alex Mincek’s Pendulum IV are tour de force works which will showcase the ensemble precision and unique sound of Wet Ink across large ensemble and chamber settings.  Mincek’s piece, newly revised, has not been performed by Wet Ink since 2009.  We are thrilled to present it with the heavy-hitting lineup of Erin Lesser (contrabass flute), Ryan Muncy (tenor sax), Josh Modney (violin), and Mariel Roberts (cello).

Big thanks to Roulette for presenting this concert, and to the BMI Foundation, who have underwritten this performance of Katherine Young’s piece with a Jeffery Cotton Award, a new program which supports reprise performances of contemporary works.

 The history of Wet Ink Ensemble runs the gamut of experimental art music from Brooklyn DIY and the ‘downtown scene’ tradition to ‘uptown’. Could you tell us about the unique history of the ensemble?

Wet Ink started as a small group of musicians seeking to work through various conflicts regarding categorization. When we first came together, we all identified as interpreters, improvisers and composers, with connections to multiple ‘scenes’ and were searching to create something like an all-inclusive artistic environment, that didn’t require one to choose sides, so to speak. And for the most part, that has never really changed. But in the early days (1998-2004) we were mainly presenters. We produced unique split-bill concerts that focused on coupling fairly polemical bands/groups. During this time there was no fixed “Wet Ink Ensemble”, rather, we functioned more like curators, presenting many different groups, in tandem with ever-changing versions of our own group. However, around 2005 we really started to gel into a more fixed, cohesive ensemble, and as a result, began to focus more on playing full concerts solely as one group. So, from 2005-2010 we were really exploring our ensemble identity. And from 2010-present we have basically been refining our group practice.

What distinguishes the instrumentation of the “large ensemble” from the core instrumentation of Wet Ink?

The Ensemble and the Large Ensemble are Wet Ink’s two main performing groups. The Ensemble is a septet, a core group of composers/performers/improvisers who serve as co-directors of the organization.  The Large Ensemble is comprised of a flexible roster of NYC-based soloists, all of whom are passionately committed and internationally renowned interpreters of contemporary music.

As mentioned above, since 2005 we’ve been exploring and solidifying our ensemble identity.  The formation of our septet configuration around 2010 was a defining moment – the culmination of a working method where the individual artists are valued over any pre-determined instrumentation.  It had become clear to us after years of performing together and workshopping compositions together that our most rewarding artistic experiences were the product of close collaboration with specific people over long time periods.  We had finally arrived at a point where a performance practice for Wet Ink music had been developed.  The current economic model of contemporary music makes it very difficult for musicians to hone in on a performance practice, so we all felt a sense of gratitude for our artistic situation and the multitude of exciting possibilities that lay ahead.  We’ve been running with it since then, increasing our touring activities and releasing albums (our solo album Relay, plus as “sidemen” on albums by Katharina Rosenberger and Kate Soper), and the septet remains the heart of Wet Ink.  The Wet Ink Ensemble is:

Erin Lesser, flutes
Alex Mincek, sax/composition
Kate Soper, voice/composition
Eric Wubbels, piano/composition
Ian Antonio, percussion
Josh Modney, violin
Sam Pluta, electronics/composition

While the Wet Ink Ensemble is focused on long-term collaboration (both within the group and with exciting artists like Rick Burkhardt, Erin Gee, Katharina Rosenberger, and others), the Large Ensemble remains a broader project, championing the work of adventurous musicians from around the world.  The Large Ensemble has taken on ambitious portrait concerts of major figures like Peter Ablinger and Mathias Spahlinger, and has tackled challenging work by younger artists including Bryn Harrison, Simon-Steen Andersen, and many others.

“Each work explores a rich variety of sonic and dramatic possibilities, unbound by convention, while also demonstrating meticulous craftsmanship, free of pretense.”

The above quotation describes Wet Ink’s program, but perhaps also accurately reflects much of the ensemble’s past curation and programming. What is Wet Ink’s ‘mission’?

We basically have four overlapping goals: 1) To seek out extraordinary artists and give their work a platform; 2) To make compelling music together, solely as a group (for us, by us…); 3) To undertake these endeavors with the highest level of commitment, which in turn offers 4) the public the opportunity to experience informed and devoted interpretations of today’s most novel and adventurous music.

Interview: Mary Kouyoumdjian

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Could you describe the program you are presenting with Kronos Quartet and Hotel Elefant on Tuesday, May 12?

As an Armenian-American composer whose family went through the Armenian Genocide, a tragic event that led to the mass extermination of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Turks and was the first genocide of the 20th century, I felt an undeniable need to discuss this through my music and to dedicate this concert to the genocide’s 100th anniversary.

The program will include the U.S. premiere of a new multi-media work written for the Kronos Quartet entitled Silent Cranes, written specifically to commemorate the genocide centennial, with projection design by Laurie Olinder, poetry by Alternative Radio host and journalist David Barsamian, recorded testimonies of survivors, and folk songs recorded between 1912-1916.

Hotel Elefant will also perform works including This Should Feel Like Home (commissioned by Carnegie Hall for the ensemble) – a self-portrait of what it was like to visit Armenia for the first time, sampling field recordings from the city to villages; Dzov Yerku Kooynov [Sea of Two Colors] (commissioned by the American Composers Forum/JFund for Hotel Elefant) – a portrait of composer Komitas Vardapet, who survived the Armenian Genocide and suffered through 20 years of post-traumatic stress disorder; and a new work entitled Everlastingness, with lyrics by dear friend and librettist Royce Vavrek and special guest baritone Jeffrey Gavett – a portrait of painter Arshile Gorky, who survived the Armenian Genocide and lived through a series of tragic events upon his displacement to the States.

It’s a pretty heavy program, but genocide is also a severely heavy topic. I’m hoping the audience will be open to connecting with the topic and hearing why I feel it’s so important to talk about this moment of history a century later.

This Should Feel Like Home samples field recordings from Armenia “from the city to villages”. Could you describe how these recordings were collected and used as a compositional element in the piece?

In the summer of 2012, I visited Armenia for the first time. Much like tourists snap hundreds of photos on their trips, I did the same by gathering as many sonic memories and field recordings as possible. I brought a little handheld recorder with me everywhere and recorded moments, such as my first duduk (an Armenian double reed instrument) lesson in the Vernisage marketplace, a marching band going through the Republic Square, a thunderstorm at Noravank while exploring graves, people drinking holy water at Gerard, church bells and the choir at Etchmiadzin, conversations, a singing villager, folk musicians, the national anthem being sung, etc. These recordings comprise the electronic backing track that intertwines with the live ensemble, often in their raw form, and often processed, distorted, and manipulated. In a way, I’m presenting a sonic slideshow of my trip to the audience (though I hope the experience is a little more interesting)!

Both Dzov Yerku Kooynov [Sea of Two Colors] and Everlastingness are portraits of artists who survived the Armenian Genocide and faced subsequent challenges in their lives. Could you tell us more about their work? What drew you to these artists?

Dzov Yerku Kooynov [Sea of Two Colors] is a portrait of the priest and composer Komitas Vardapet, who was sort of like the Armenian Bartók in that he gathered and transcribed many of the Armenian folk songs that we still have today, in addition to contributing his own. One of the first intellectuals captured during the Armenian Genocide, he survived and then suffered the remaining years of his life with post-traumatic stress disorder, hopping from one psychiatric hospital to the next.

Everlastingness is a portrait of painter Arshile Gorky, who also went through the genocide, fled to the U.S., and then experienced a series of tragic events from marital troubles, temporary paralysis, his studio catching on fire, and ultimately his suicide. What fascinates me about these two is that they each went through unimaginable horrors, and, upon their survival, their lives continued to deconstruct in the aftermath of their unfathomable experiences. It may seem like an obvious observation that trauma would continue to haunt them even in safety, but their stories relate to why, even after 100 years, this event in history continues to have traumatic repercussions on the families of those affected.

The Armenian Genocide is a tragic and confounding event, yet – nearly one hundred years later – its formal recognition is still a controversial topic. Could you please contextualize the event for our readers? How does Silent Cranes address the centennial of the Armenian Genocide?

As an Armenian with family that went through the genocide, it’s difficult to understand why recognition of any crime against humanity is a controversial topic at all, but calling it a “genocide” has been an issue ever since Rafael Lempkin coined the word to describe these specific massacres. Currently over twenty countries and forty-three U.S. States have formally recognized the Armenian Genocide, but the U.S. as a nation and modern-day Turkey have yet to do so – Turkey even threatens imprisonment to those who push the topic within their borders. It’s a tragic event that most historians have agreed upon as an undeniable fact, but politicians are hesitant to label in order to keep ties with Turkey, who has become increasingly important as an ally in the Middle East and has been increasingly verbal about cutting off ties with nations who formally acknowledge the genocide as such.

Silent Cranes addresses the centennial by saying that, without resolution, these horrific occurrences to the Armenian people are just as fresh as they were 100 years ago. Until we can acknowledge the events that happened and have an open dialogue about it, how can we ever expect to prevent further genocides from happening?

“Kouyoumdjian is a firm believer that approaching such controversial topics through the Arts opens opportunities for a conversation with audiences when words become too difficult to say or hear.”

What is your compositional process? How do you approach writing music – often wordlessly — that explores such controversial topics?

I’m fascinated by the idea of music as documentary, and right now, I’m most interested in sharing the stories of real people who have experienced something that needs to be heard. I’m not actively seeking out controversial topics to explore for the sake of being controversial, but with my parents and brother having lived in Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War, and with my grandparents/great grandparents having lived in Turkey during the Armenian Genocide, topics that stem from war and conflict naturally resonate with me. I enjoy gathering field recordings, because it connects me to the land and space I am in, and I enjoy gathering interviews and testimonies, because it connects me to people, and ultimately what I enjoy most about music is connecting with others.

Your work seems interested in exploring and reconciling notions of identity. Could you tell us about your background? What drew you to composition?

I grew up playing classical piano and electone organ, and it wasn’t until I started taking jazz piano lessons in high school when I became interested in composition. I had just watched the movie Rudy and fell in love with Jerry Goldsmith’s score, after which my jazz teacher blew my mind by saying that one could actually grow up and be a film composer! So, I pursued composition by getting a wonderfully zany and experimental education at UC San Diego, then a film scoring degree at NYU, moved to LA for a few years to dive into “the industry,” realized I wasn’t as crazy about the industry as I dreamed I would be, missed writing concert music terribly, and moved back to NYC where a new wave of new music had sprouted with an incredibly supportive and open-minded community of musicians that I continue to be happy to be a part of.

As far as “identity,” there’s a really great quote by composer Tigran Mansurian: “You bring things from your roots that you can be honest with.” I think this is so true, and it was the moment when I started writing about concepts that were a little closer to home that I felt my music spoke with the most integrity.

Interview: MV Carbon


Interdisciplinary artist and composer MV Carbon presents Long Range-Order and the Telekinesisyth as part of her Spring 2015 Residency from the Jerome Foundation at Roulette on Wednesday, May 13th

Could you please describe the program you will be presenting at Roulette?

Long Range-Order and the Telekinesisynth is a program made up of two acts that playfully investigate varying forms of transmission and the exchange of thought and emotion.  It comments on the physicality, form and effect of both antiquated and modern technological communication devices, as well as metaphysical forms of communication such as telepathy and telekinesis.

What is your background as a composer, sound artist, and visual artist?

As a child, I studied flute and learned to read music.  We had a piano at the house to play with.  My brother gave me guitar lessons and we would occasionally write songs together.  The idea of being a performer seemed natural to me from a very early age.  I still have many of the “scores” I wrote for voice and performance from that time.

As a teenager growing up in rural Pennsylvania, I was lucky to be exposed to music beyond the mainstream.  My friends and I would drive to Pittsburgh to see shows and to go record shopping at Eides when it was just a very small store.  I felt transformed by the beauty and strangeness of sound and performance and knew that I would pursue these forms of expression.  I started painting and doing installation art in Pittsburgh and regularly exhibited and performed there at venues like The Birmingham Loft, Pittsburgh Center for the Arts and the Turmoil Room.  There was a lot going on.

I moved to Chicago in my early 20’s, which was a mecca for artistic exploration.  The music scene was rich and inspiring.  The music I found exhilarating had an Avant Garde edge to it and was laced with Post-Punk, Rock, New Wave, Grunge, and Jazz influences.  I was involved in the formation of two bands: Metalux (Hanson, LOAD Records) and Bride of No No (Atavistic).  Metalux is still together and touring abroad this spring.  I studied at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago’s Art and Technology program with a focus on sound, and spent a lot of time in recording studios with the bands.  We worked with Jim O’Rourke, who produced one of Bride of No No’s albums.  I learned a lot about the technological aspect of music production and sound recording at this time.  I was going to shows, performing, making films, or at band practice most of my time in Chicago.

When I first moved to New York City, I only knew a few people here, but was soon presented with many opportunities to perform and exhibit sound and time-based work.  I have 2 solo LPs that came out within the past few years and am working on new recordings this spring at EMS in Stockholm.  Roulette, Clocktower Gallery, PS1, Knockdown Center, and many DIY spaces in New York have invited me to create new site-specific work.  Suzanne Fiol and Issue Project Room were very supportive, early on with several invitations to create new works and to compose a larger scale orchestration for the String Orchestra of Brooklyn.  I continually collaborate with other artists, which is inspiring and provoking.  My graduate studies at NYU’s ITP program allowed me to experiment with sensor based technology, physical computing and animation.  Technology is a big part of my life and work and I sometimes find myself hooked up to a computer for days.  I try to create a balance between the technological and physical/dexterous relationship with music production.

What was your compositional approach to The Telekinetic Grip and Speed Dial and the Cellar Door?

Imagining, experimenting, researching, dreaming, drawing, playing, writing.

Speed Dial and the Cellar Door is about friendship, reliving, connections, memorization, and communication.  I am using these concepts to create a mood in the music.  I have been thinking about childhood friendships, memorized phone numbers and rotary phones.  I have been working to translate this impression into sound.  There will be live interaction between myself, and Emily Manzo, who is playing the piano piece in this act.  I will record what she plays and process it through tape machines, pedals, and electronics.  I also have put together some special props.

In the Telekinetic Grip, there is a holographic character that is playing the cello part.  That score is being created offsite and will be embedded in Violet Raid’s presence.  I will play a duo with VR.

Your piece The Telekinetic Grip is described as “a mediated experience which intersects the virtual and the actual.”  How so?

The piece comments on the duality and interconnectedness between our physical identity and our virtually simulated presence via networked, electronic devices.

Violet Raid exists on a hard drive and emulates the cello parts that were pre-recorded.  VR can travel on the Internet, be downloaded, rerouted through projected light, and animated through movement and sound.  VR is a digital immortal, born through an extension of thought, light, and sound.

As a Jerome resident, are there themes unique or specific to your program at Roulette?  Are the pieces written with the space in mind?

When I was invited to be a Jerome Resident, the ideas for Long-Range Order and the Telekinesisynth came to me the following week.  It was imagined specifically for the show at Roulette, but will be able to be performed in other spaces in the future.  The space at Roulette is large and theatrical.  I am excited and honored to have the opportunity to create new work for it.

The space definitely has contributed to my choice of using a piano and various forms of projection for the piece.   

What is a holographic cello?

The holographic cello is the instrument that Violet Raid performs with in the virtual realm.  It will be seen and heard beyond the constraints of a computer interface at the performance.  I am working on creating a holographic projection for the show.

Interview: Briggan Krauss


What can we expect from your performance with H-Alpha on April 20?

I honestly don’t know. If I knew what to expect I wouldn’t want to do it. I am interested in putting different combinations of improvisers together and seeing what happens. I don’t know if Kato and Jim have played together or if Brandon and Ikue have played together either. What I do know is that I am always gathering people with strong and unique voices together to play and I completely trust that the music that comes from these combinations will be interesting and happening.

This performance marks eight years of H-Alpha. Could you tell us the history of the group?

The history of H-alpha? Well Jim and I met in Seattle while I was still in college around 1990 and have been friends ever since.  Jim has always been one of my heroes whom I’ve always looked up to and I feel lucky every chance I get to play with him. Ikue and I met when Eyvind Kang put the three of us together for a gig at The Stone around 2005 I think. I’ve always been a huge fan of Ikue’s work and I thought that she and Jim would have a great connection together so I asked if they’d be into playing and thus the band was born. We’ve released a single CD on Skirl Records called Red Sphere which came out in 2007. I feel that the music of H-alpha has evolved a lot over the years and I have also been more and more interested in playing guitar as well as saxophone so I am very excited about the direction the music is heading. I think that we are long overdue for another recording and I wish I could make that happen soon.

What is your approach to improvisation?

Maybe like if you’ve ever seen video of sea lions playing in the kelp forests off the California coast. They swim around together sometimes alone sometimes in groups playing tag or just looking around…being….no single creature is the leader….sometimes moving fast or slow through patches of light or darkness. For me, improvised music is somewhat like this kind of extended organism of shape, color and time. What happens in that field is up to everyone present (not just the musicians) to create and then let end.  It makes a single unique moment never to happen again.

H-Alpha will be joined by Brandon Seabrook and Kato Hideki, what can we expect from this collaboration? Has H-Alpha collaborated with these artists before?

This will be the first time that Brandon and Kato will join us. Again, I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen but I know it will be incredibly fascinating and fun to find out.

Interview: Ab Baars, tenor saxophone, and Thomas Heberer, trumpet, of ICP Orchestra

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The world-renowned Amsterdam-based Instant Composers Pool (ICP) Orchestra celebrates the release of its recent CD East of the Sun with a 13-date US tour including three dates at Roulette on May 6, May 7, and May 8.

Please tell us about ICP Orchestra’s upcoming program at Roulette

Ab Baars: Besides working as ICP Orchestra, we thought it might be fun and interesting to invite friends and have a ‘different take’ on ICP material.

Thomas Heberer: We always decide on the night of the concert what to play. A mix of improv pieces played by sub-groups from within the orchestra and tunes from the repertoire of over 100 pieces.

Could you describe the ‘ICP method’?

Thomas Heberer: Put together a bunch of experienced musicians from different musical paths, all with different temperaments that nevertheless enjoy each other’s company and see what happens.

Ab Baars: There is no such thing as the ‘ICP method’. There is perhaps something like a language we all try to speak, with different accents, dialects if you want. But we all love to play and listen and change ideas. We trust each other and….there’s no leader. In order to get things done you have to join the ‘conversation’. Strange words, misunderstandings; we love them, they can even become the improvisation.  There’s no rules, just big ears, creative thinking and pleasure in making things together.

In addition to improvisations, ICP Orchestra is also known for its “surprisingly coherent arrangements”. I was curious if you could tell us about the compositional approach to these arrangements? 

Ab Baars: I think that’s part of the ‘Misha school'; he is a master in writing very coherent ideas. Some of them short, some of them longer. His compositions present clear (catchy) ideas. They give enough (and inviting) information to work with. It’s open material. It can be looked at in many ways. I think that filters through in the work of composing ICP members (and in the improvisations).

Thomas Heberer: Misha Mengelberg’s approach is different than Han Bennink’s than Michael Moore’s than Ab Baars’ than Toby Delius’ than Wolter Wierbos’ than Thomas Heberer’s than Guus Jansen’s than Mary Oliver’s than Tristan Honsinger’s than Ernst Glerum’s.


Interview: Vicky Chow, Jennifer Choi, and Danielle Eva Schwob

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Vicky Chow, Jennifer Choi, and Michael Nicolas, some of New York’s most sought after musicians in the new music scene team together to perform new solos and trios by two dynamic composers, Danielle Eva Schwob and John Zorn. Premiering tonight are Danielle’s Three Self Portraits inspired by the art work of David Hockney, Lucian Freud, and Francis Bacon alongside John Zorn’s first and latest piano trios, Amour Fou and The Aristos – ten metaphysical ambiguities for violin, cello, and piano in what will be an intense and enchanting evening of chamber and solo music at Roulette on Sunday, April 19

Could you tell us about your upcoming program at Roulette?  

Vicky Chow: The upcoming program at Roulette is one that features two really diverse New York artists/composers: John Zorn and Danielle Eva Schwob. Being from different backgrounds and generations, each are familiar and comfortable in multiple musical genres from writing music for the concert hall to music for film and everything in between. And when you get to work with composers who have so many musical influences, the outcome is always one that is unpredictable and undoubtedly colorful and rich.

Are there parallels between Schwob’s Three Self Portaits and Zorn’s Amour Fou and The Artistos?

Jennifer Choi: The three self portraits are a suite of solo pieces written for each of us. Usually when a pre-formed chamber music group plays, the music on the program will be for the entire group. In this case, we thought it would be nice to showcase each of us in our solo work in Schwob’s pieces and then come together for Zorn’s trios.

Vicky Chow: It is interesting to me that both of these composers are writing music that is programmatic in nature. Schwob’s solos are each based on a different artist (mine in particular drew inspiration from Lucian Freud, a German-born British painter), and Zorn’s Amour Fou and The Artistos draws inspiration from its title.

Danielle Eva Schwob: Yes, I think one interesting parallel is that both pieces draw on source material that’s concerned with identity, individuality and authenticity.  Fowles book The Aristos, from which Zorn’s piece takes its title, is actually subtitled “A Self Portrait in Ideas” – an interesting coincidence given that mine is literally based on three self-portraits.  Judging from what I’ve read about his trio, it seems focused on how an individual relates to the external world and its pressures to conform as well as about freedom of expression.  In contrast, mine is quieter, more internal and more introspective.  It’s about looking in the mirror (which these artists probably did in order to paint themselves) and reconciling with what you see.

What brought the three of you together for this performance?

Jennifer Choi: It was the summer of 2014 when John Zorn had the idea of getting the three of us in contact with each other to try out this trio formation with the idea of writing The Aristos for us.

Vicky Chow: It is all Zorn’s fault! (just kidding). Yes, as Jenny said, John Zorn had the idea of writing a piano trio for the three of us and this resulted in The Aristos. We have all individually known of each others work for some time and it’s really an honor to collaborate with people you respect, admire and equally as passionate about music as you are.

You are presenting two world premieres. Were these pieces written for you specifically?

Jennifer Choi: And around that same time, Danielle was looking for a trio group to perform her set of solos.  Danielle and I had worked together on some other occasions before, so she called me up and asked if I had a trio, and it just so happened that Vicky, Mike, and I were about to start playing together.

Vicky Chow: I think depending on each composer, works are sometimes written specifically with the players in mind and sometimes not. These in particular are a bit of both in my humble opinion. I feel that the music is so clear and present when the pieces were conceived that they may not necessary be written with our individual sounds in mind but rather for our personalities and what we can bring to it in live performance.

Danielle Eva Schwob: I’d agree with that.  I started the pieces before I knew who’d be playing them and so the initial musical kernels were certainly conceived in a vacuum.  I did, however, write a considerable amount of material afterwards once I knew that Jenny, Vicky and Mike would perform them.  By this stage the music already had a clear direction but I definitely wrote with the three of them in mind as live performers.  They’re such frighteningly good, expressive musicians and it’s great fun writing for players of their caliber.

Interview: Odeya Nini and Gelsey Bell

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Odeya, could you tell us about your album, Vougheauxyice, and where we can find it?

ON: Vougheauxyice, pronounced Voice, is an album I released a year ago of composition and improvisations for solo voice. My music is extremely experiential with a strong performative element, so it took a long time to figure out the best way to capture this work on a recording. I was searching for locations that had natural resonant acoustics so most of the pieces were recorded in a house in Joshua Tree and one in an aqueduct. There is also no editing, added effects or panning on the album, everything you hear is the space, the voice against the microphone and the movement of the body in the room. In this album I really try to show the range of vocal expression, unabridged. It is best experienced listening to it from beginning to end laying on the ground with your eyes closed and allowing yourself to journey with it. Vougheauxyice can be found on iTunes and Amazon as well as on my Bandcamp page.

What led both of you to collaborate for this performance?

GB: I organized a concert back in 2011 where Odeya, myself, and Maria Stankova all did solo sets. From then on, I’ve been an Odeya superfan, wishing on multiple occasions that she lived in New York so that we could work on projects together. Often when I become enamored with someone’s voice and musicality, my first instinct is that I want to sing with them – just listening is not enough! So when Odeya invited me to join her for this show, I jumped at the opportunity. I had originally conceived of Spent Horizons, which is the only duet we’ll do together, over a year ago for me and another player but had never taken the time to formalize the idea. When Odeya mentioned this performance, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to finally perform the piece.

Your program concluded with the duo premiere of Bell’s Spent Horizons, are there any plans for future duo collaborations?

GB: No plans. But plenty of dreams. We’ve talked about touring together. And I’ll be in southern California this summer for a show I’m a part of, Dave Malloy’s Ghost Quartet, so we’re starting to talk about putting something together then.

Odeya, could you describe the compositional process behind A Solo Voice? You describe the piece as “aiming to disassociate the voice from its traditional attributes and create a new logic of song that is not only heard but seen through movement,” can you tell us more about the work’s “new logic of song” and its relationship to traditional musical conceptions of song?

ON: A Solo Voice is a series of several pieces woven together. It is always in flux depending on the performance and the space. The pieces have road maps, points of arrival along an arc, certain techniques, moods and concepts I use, but within that map there is much improvisation on the theme. I am interested in an organic flow of the work, where I embody my ideas and present it in a fluid manner. That fluidity gathers everything that I premeditated on, but also what I feel in the moment, which leaves it always open to change.

When we think of a song we usually think of a verse and chorus, we think of lyrics, melody, rhythm and sometimes harmony. In my work I don’t think of structure in that way. Rhythm for me is not something I ever want to count, its something I feel. I let my breath and my body dictate my phrasing and timing. I use sounds that are textures and atypical to the voice. My body is used to generate various sounds by shifting in different ways and letting it lead me on the path of emotional expression, feeling integration. Movement is not used as representation, it is the moving force of the sound. When I perform I really see the sound moving around me, I have strong visualizations of its energy through space and the physicality allows the audience to see it too. This kind of disorientation, with things sounding, moving, changing, allows for a “new logic of song.” There is an arc, and attention to composition, but the approach is different, leaving the  individual needing to reorganize the song they hear for themselves.

Gelsey, could you also describe your compositional approach? Could you further describe a music constituted by “foraging for songs in an overgrown jungle of vocal quirks and oddities”? Are there aesthetic precedents that informed the work?

GB: Since I knew Odeya would be singing her A Solo Voice, I decided to write some music for the solo voice to match that tone, something I have actually only done a little bit of in the past. Though I have a lot of solo music, I almost always have a particular instrument or spatial arrangement that I am reacting to. For instance, despite the fact that my song cycle Bathroom Songs is for the instrumentation of a solo voice, so much of that music is about reacting to the architecture of the bathroom, and so it ends up being a very different kind of compositional experience. For this concert setting, the challenge has been to not have particular spatial or instrumental considerations to react to. Instead the music comes from the repertoire of vocal gestures that I carry with me. I find that I am reacting to the impulses of my body and the dynamics of energetic force (for lack of a better term) in a particular kind of concentrated focus. (For the duet Spent Horizons, a great deal of the piece is about the two of us reacting to each other and then continuing to perform the music we create together beyond that interaction.) As a singer that has explored and works in various genres, extended techniques, and compositional structures, my repertoire can feel like a kind of jungle… at least for me. There are so many aesthetic precedents for how I sing and how I hear, I wouldn’t know where to start – from Joan La Barbara’s solo vocal work to the melodies of traditional British folk songs to noisy electronic pop music from the last few decades to Pauline Oliveros’s deep listening practices. The solo songs that I’m performing are a stab at bringing some coherence to all these different paths – not as a self-conscious pastiche, but as a kind of music that feels authentic to all of my musical experiences. This makes it feel like a kind of journey, the action of foraging, at least for me. They also draw on other things that I’ve been working on recently. For instance, I just finished working on a radio piece with Gregory Whitehead about American torture practices that will air in Australia in May. For that piece, I generated a great deal of improvised material that has not necessarily found its way into the final piece, so I’ve been using some of it for these pieces instead.

Interview: Experiments in Opera


The intrepid Experiments in Opera presents Story Binge, an ambitious two-night program featuring seven new operas by seven composers at Roulette on April 1 & 2.

Experiments in Opera spoke with Roulette about the curatorial process behind Story Binge, and composers Sam Hillmer, Nick Hallett, Matthew Welch, Gelsey Bell, Jason Cady, Aaron Siegel, and Faith No More’s Roddy Bottum shared insight into their respective operas and on the art form in the 21st century.

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How was Story Binge curated? Is there a specific theme to the festival?

The name Story Binge refers to the current culture of binged consumption, as in TV binges, food binges, etc. Experiments in Opera’s analogy presents 7 ambitious projects in one big production, and at the same time, provide a wide variety of new approaches to the genre of opera. The works, though all created by composer-performers, do not share a theme other than to explore singularly each’s own conception of mise en scène. The outcome of the two evenings we hope that through our presenting a varied and evocative community of opera makers to an intersecting audience, we can foster more dialogue of ideas on opera and edify a sense of community.

We are drawn to work that can re-invigorate the relevance of opera to today’s culture. We encounter work that grows from a number of music circles, stretching what is possible to call opera, beyond its ancestry of classical music and theatre. Broadening our criteria as to what is opera, we find that the basic potency between music, text and portrayal with a convivial collaboration could produce a progressive approach to opera regardless of musical style alone. We expose the explorative impulse.

Story Binge presents operas by Sam Hillmer, Nick Hallett, Matthew Welch, Gelsey Bell, Jason Cady, Aaron Siegel, and Faith No More’s Roddy Bottum. What drew Experiments in Opera to these seven composers? 

Premiering and/or commissioning a composer’s first opera is a curatorial impulse of ours that embraces the discoveries made by this encounter with a new genre, and also the unique approach as birthed from their overall musical style. We are presenting Roddy Bottum’s Sasquatch, the Opera. Bottum has composed for film, concert and is in the band Faith No More. Sasquatch, the Opera is his first foray into opera. Sam Hillmer’s work fuses rock, composition, improvisation and multi-media, and is known for his work in the band Zs. Hillmer’s this is soon, and that was the web this is going to be brings his multi-disciplinary work to explore spoken text and interiority – a fresh look at a crucial cog in the mechanism of opera: the flexibility of the sound of the voice either in depiction of acted or thought words.

Nick Hallett and Gelsey Bell as singers and composers both work exceptionally with the voice and are innovative musical story-tellers. Their work intersects Experiments in Opera’s community rather pervasively, so it is natural to extend the scope of their unique formal, textual, musical and topical approaches to opera. Hallett’s To Music portrays a composer’s scandalous affair via social media and the realities of contemporary composing such as a copyright misstep. Bell’s tellingly-titled Rolodex, spawns a fractured story of webbed relationships and investigates and “re-files” a core element of musical drama as being driven by character.

The Experiments in Opera co-founders find it necessary to bring their own aesthetic proposals and solutions to the table in our productions to complement our curatorial guest composers work. We and our guests receive each other as both being vital to the intellectual support and collaborative effort required to make opera. The approach in our works for Story Binge has been for each of us to expand and refine the nuance of our topics and how they may redefine what types of stories and sounds can be combined. Through this we aim to create more personal and harder to categorize works of art that could fit within a playfully “what-if” and aesthetically broader conception of the genre of opera. Welch’s And Here We Are explores family memoirs of a concentration camp, in Cady’s The Captives, returns to his interest in Science-Fiction and Siegel’s Laughing examines a biblical metaphor based on the story of Abraham and Isaac. All three portray alienation and being trapped. Each of the three explores fresh instrumentation for opera and which are essential for their dramatic wholeness and musical character.

What is opera, and where is the art form now in 2015?

Tackling the question: “What is opera?” is exactly what Experiments in Opera aims to test. Opera has gone through many different guises, objectives and social circles throughout history, during which the conventions gradually changed along with. The dedication to past repertoire at perceived height of the art is what many know as opera, and shadows the visibility of newer work. Works that organically have changed along the times with musical culture remain obscure due to this, yet a smaller, more facile sub-culture of smaller scale project-makers has been gaining momentum as an alternative. The magical world accessible in opera can be created with a multitude of new and efficient performance conceptions neither reliant on large orchestras and large casts, nor any sound world handed down to them. Opera is now in a proliferating phase as a survival response that is working. An opera can present a small or large world at the composers discretion, and this is its potent principle that can allow it to explore any size of an idea and abandon any, often grandiose, baggage. A clever new story acted and sung and supported by a rock band score could be considered an opera. Operas are now at a point where they can be confidently molded into their own unique shapes less and less reliant on older models, and can receive, absorb, use and/or reject the creative tools that become available through multi-disciplinary interaction in search of ever-newer ideas. Opera is in its Renaissance.

The composers

What is opera, and where is the art form now in 2015?
What attracted you to writing in this genre, and how did you approach composing within that context?

Matthew Welch
Opera of course is the plural of opus – meaning works. This to me implies not necessarily the magnitude of scale commonly thought of as requisite of opera, but more the exploitation of the interactivity and “sum is greater than the parts” effect in juxtaposing often separate modes of creative thought and production. Opera now is experiencing a new life – as the aesthetic inertia and conservativeness of large institutional opera and the impracticalities of funding linger or worsen, composers now have resolved to make the work happen in a more practical way and musically and topically relevant to today’s culture.

My interest in opera as a listener started with contemporary opera, and gradually I’ve come to appreciate the developmental history of classical opera. What text and staging add to what is considered mostly as a musical genre creates a complete package of expression and idea. Concepts expressed in absolute music that don’t require words or fail to translate to literal meaning can be enhanced by these other more literal or corporeal disciplines to create a type of complex layering of thoughts. What drew me to composing opera was stimulated by study of non-Western types of musical theatre, such as Indonesian musical theatre with gamelan, dance and singing or shadow puppetry. The efficacy with which these idioms communicate with and solidify a cultural community inspired me to compose opera from a different angle that tries to absorb some of these differing purposes. Often the more things change, the more they stay the same – so they say… for me, I think the ability to be innovative in this genre is to simultaneously look very forward to times when conventions undoubtedly will have changed and look far back on the ritualistic and inter-disciplinary aspects from where the combinations of music, story and visual movement begin – millennia before the term opera came to be, communities came together to create rituals – this is some of the primacy I aim to capture.

Nick Hallett
The definition of opera that has become most useful to me in recent years is—art for composers.  In 2015, the form is wide open, but its history is no longer enough to sustain the practice, which has caused both major companies to shutter, composers to shift their focus away from its typical spectacle, and venues not traditionally sympathetic—such as art museums and experimental performance institutions—to open their doors to new kinds of opera experiences.

My attraction to opera comes from my training as a vocalist—singing the classic repertoire, feeling it inside my body.  When I began wanting to tell stories and creating artistic experiences using music, I go back to that muscle memory.  How might the voice be able to embody not only human emotions, but the psychology of the culture we live in?     My operas try to answer that question.

Gelsey Bell
Opera is one of the few art forms that we have to keep stating definitions of! (Maybe that’s actually part of its charm…) My definition of opera is a theatrical performance where musical listening is paramount to experiencing the work. Opera also comes with a particular kind of historical baggage and economic framework that is unique within individual territorial regions (for instance, the American relationship to this term is different than say the Chinese or German one). I don’t think opera requires a particular kind of vocal technique or musical genre. Rather than wondering if a work qualifies to be called an opera because of a specific set of qualities, sometimes it is interesting to see what kinds of qualities defining a work as opera lends itself to the performance.

I think we’re at a very exciting moment in opera right now in New York. There is a resurgence in chamber works, a great deal of interest in the voice and the inherent theatricality of musical performance, and a vibrant community of composers and performers naturally being drawn to making work that turns out to be opera. I think we’re on the precipice of tearing down some of the fences between opera and musical theatre (and really it’s about time) and I think it’s very exciting to see folks from both the theatre-end-of-things and the music-ends-of-things working closer and learning to speak each other’s languages.

The ideas behind Rolodex, as a work exploring the functions of character and story within individual meaning-making, necessitated the operatic form. It seemed like simply the best way to explore the concept. I needed a structure large enough to play around with all these ideas in this way – a single song didn’t seem like enough. I am trying to use the expectations of character, story, epic-ness attached to the form of opera to facilitate my exploration of these ideas… Also, as someone who has spent a great deal of time working in opera – or  shall I more specifically say “new opera”? – both as a performer and as a performance creator, it’s not much of a stretch for me to end up writing in this form.

Aaron Siegel
My take on opera is that it is a vision realized through music.  It is exciting that there are as many different visions out there as there are people who want to call their work opera.

I am really interested in working with texts, characters, and stories that are complicated, funny, odd and real.  Questions are my starting point for a new project.  The work is an exploration of what the questions are asking.

Jason Cady
One of the things I like about opera is dialogue since other types of vocal music generally don’t have dialogue. When I compose opera I generally focus on dialogue, but in The Captives I wanted to try something different, just for the sake of doing something different. So I wrote a story told from the perspectives of two characters and each character delivers a spoken monologue before each song, which makes the form distinct from the opera-as-a-play model. The story is about a couple in a captive breeding program that alien zoologists initiated to try to conserve the human race from extinction.

To compose the music I began by outlining the form: 6 songs with the 2nd song being 10% faster than the first, the 3rd song 20% faster and so on, until the last song is 50% faster than the first song. Then I composed the bass lines and sang and wrote down the vocal parts. I added the pedal steel and keyboard parts later and I made the synth patch after finishing the score.

Roddy Bottum
Opera to me is simply stories told through music and language.  The art form seems currently all over the map. There seems to be no need to limit the art form to the history of the genre.  The more progressive the direction of opera, to me, the better.

I was really into Tommy as a kid and it was billed always as a modern rock opera.  That piqued my interest. With my current work I tried to combine a classical use of timpani and trumpets with the use of drum machine and synthesizers to create a somewhat unorthodox tone.  For casting I tried to push the envelope a little bit and base my roles on real life performers, like drag queens and circus folk, whose work didn’t necessarily cater to the opera genre. I was more interested in the personality of the performers than i was the traditional musical chops.

Sam Hillmer
In the imploded cultural landscape of 2015 Opera is primarily a socio economic construct.  A reason to drink sparkling wine and debate recondite facts about the aesthetics of former times, all of which is an elaborate and chivalrous method of articulating class categories.  As the bird articulates territory with song, so do we.  The historicity of operatic practice is of course profound and at times stunning and transcendent in it’s current manifestation, but as income inequality deepens, as the planet fades, and war rages on around us unremittingly, the code aspect of the ornament, of aesthetic and performance practice, gets louder and more utilitarian.  Forms like opera, the symphony orchestra, the string quartet, and social spaces like the concert hall, become more about what is not happening inside of them, and less about what is happening.  Opera is, without a doubt, a part of that right now.

To paraphrase Boulez, ‘when the dog is on the outside of the house it barks, when it is on the inside of the house it bites’

Interview: Tyshawn Sorey



Composer and percussionist Tyshawn Sorey’s Koan II performs at Roulette on Wednesday, March 11th

Your trio record, Koan, is – beautifully – distinct in its stillness and minimalism. Koan II sees that trio expanded to a quartet. Could you please tell us more about Koan II and trace the evolution of the ensemble? 

This project is essentially a logical extension of the work done in 2008/2009 by the original trio of Todd Neufeld (guitar), Thomas Morgan (bass), and myself. It should really be called Koan III… In 2010, at the old Roulette, Koan II had its initial run with the trio plus the addition of Christopher Tordini (bass) and Ben Gerstein (trombone). I have since had a very deep affinity for the viola, and especially for Mat Maneri’s contributions in music. But I also wanted to play a bit with Mat in other configurations before doing a project of my own with him (we’ve only played several concerts together already), and I feel that this seems a good direction… I also decided to do this project without two basses as originally planned. For one, the lack of availability was such that I didn’t want to simply do the performance with two other bassists – I felt that the material we had performed at the old Roulette had an identity of its own. That music has not been performed since.

The music for this particular concert will be all improvised. The original trio has moved on to deal with the improvisational language that we have developed together. And naturally, both Gerstein (with whom I’ve developed a beautiful rapport during the past ten years) and Maneri are the perfect fit for this group… We all have shared affinities and connections to a multitude of scenes and art worlds. And Todd Neufeld, who I’ve also worked with for a very long time, sounds like no other guitar player I have ever heard – totally original, and he is a hard worker who is always in search of something greater and developed his own sound and language on the instrument. The music here, I think, will retain the intensity and intimacy found in “Koan” and its variations, but I also know that it will be radically different in other ways… I look forward to it!

Musically and extramusically, what are some of the influences that inform Koan II?

Writings on Zen, and various Japanese koans, everyday life (i.e., nature), the aural nature of sound – how it travels… The films of Stan Brakhage, John Cassavetes, and Andrei Tarkovsky…in particular. Also, the music of Christian Wolff, Paul motian, John Stevens, the AACM, Morton Feldman, of course, my colleagues…all music, really. The list goes on.

Also, — and this is a friendly question from our staff, who are big fans of your work, — could you tell us about your ‘stage hat’?

I don’t know, actually. It’s for comfort, I guess…? It’s clothing – I don’t know… [laughs] For one, it protects my hearing a little, without having to wear earplugs, which I absolutely despise.



Ha-Yang Kim is New + Adventurous



What is your favorite Roulette memory?

My most memorable Roulette experience was not because it was exactly the most “pleasant,” but because the context was extraordinary.

It was September 21, 2001 I believe…10 days after 9/11. I was scheduled to play a concert with my cello-percussion duo, Odd Appetite, at the West Broadway location/Jim’s loft in Tribeca.  The entire area was closed off with barricades, in the thick of the aftermath of the fallen towers.  Thick layers of debris, ash and smoke filled the streets and sky. Other than police, firemen and authorized personnel, there was nobody else on the streets in that area.  It was like a spooky bombed-out war-zone, ghost town.

At the time, I didn’t know if it was entirely appropriate or inappropriate for the concert to go on, and if so, would anybody show up, would anybody bother coming to hear new music, especially so close to Ground Zero?

I spoke with Jim, and he said, “If you’re feeling ok to play, then yes, let’s do it.  Who knows if anybody will come, but let’s at least offer this to folks, the community, the city.”  So, that was it really.  We’d play for the hearts and spirits of everyone who was hurting, grieving, aching, and mourning.  We’d play to send out energy of healing, harmony, inspiration, and courage.

We were police escorted with all of our instruments and gear through the barricades, a surreal experience of moving through blocks of ash covered buildings, debris and papers everywhere on the streets, the strong smell of burnt rubble, ash…and that seemingly never-ending black smoke spiraling from Ground Zero which just burned and burned for so long, so intensely.

That night, people did come and they stayed.  Actually, they stayed for a while after the concert was over too.  People were smiling, eager to connect, to communicate, to listen and share.  Maybe we just needed to be together in a room for a few hours that night, feeling safe and just so incredibly grateful to be alive, to be sharing some new music.  Something so simple, so life-affirming and essential like that.

NYC-based Korean-American Ha-Yang Kim creates new music as a composer and cellist, regularly collaborating with ensembles and artists at festivals and diverse performance venues throughout the world.  She just punctuated a residency at Roulette with her performance “Terminals”, a full-length meditative audiovisual work on the peripatetic quality of contemporary life.

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Dave Ruder is New + Adventurous



What is your favorite Roulette memory?

“I think playing in Gelsey Bell’s Our Defensive Measurements was a favorite Roulette moment for me. This was in early 2013. Gelsey did a great job of thinking about the space and how to move people around it. There’s just so many little details in the current Roulette space- I’m still finding new things every time I go- and Gelsey’s piece really explored all the little weird corners. This kind of exploration had initially been Varispeed’s goal when we did John Cage’s Empty Words at Roulette in the summer of 2012, but we ended up spending a lot of time on the lower tier of the stage and sending our collaborators off to explore the space. It was great to get to explore as a performer myself, including during one song having the audience huddled around the five performers in the house left corner of the balcony, everyone touching something soft. The stage was still lit, so it was like we were all up there together, packed in, pointing towards this empty thing. I can’t imagine many spaces in NYC where that works.”

Dave Ruder is a Brooklyn-based vocalist, clarinetist, guitarist, electronicist, composer, songwriter, writer/librettist, interdisciplinary collaborator, etc.  He will be premiering his commissioned piece for five vocalists and five instrumentalists, The Gentleman Rests, tonight at 8PM.

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Interview: Ha-Yang Kim


Composer and cellist Ha-Yang Kim‘s TERMINALS is a full-length meditative audiovisual work on the peripatetic quality of contemporary life; arrival and departure points, the constant states of flux both in exterior locations and interior realms, sojourns through dense cosmopolitan urbania to vast natural landscapes, the extreme degrees of human connection-communion-discord-solitude. Through contrasting seamless sections of sonic and abstracted visual environments, TERMINALS is a contemplation upon the transitory fleeting nature of time, motion and stillness; illuminating the rich moments experienced in between the larger overlapping arc points, thus, the simultaneous vast and intimate spaces which comprise the journey itself. The work is composed specifically for frequent music collaborator Hahn Rowe, and video artist Ursula Scherrer.

Ha-Yang Kim presents TERMINALS at Roulette on Sunday, March 8th.

Your work TERMINALS addresses the “peripatetic quality of contemporary life”. Given the artistic and philosophical precedents addressing this concept, I was curious if there are certain visual, musical, and literary works that informed you and the piece? Are there personal experiences that informed TERMINALS? 

I think that the seeds for this piece, the desire to make it, developed over a period of time in which I was extremely itinerant, literally living out of my suitcase for more than a year. During that time, I was focusing intensely on my internal landscapes, observing what was continuous, innate, all the while living, transitioning and adapting to my outside life, which if placed on a map, would be all over the place!

I became interested in the co-existence of these two parallel spaces; the one internal, shifting yet continuous, and the other external, various systems, various realities, undertones and rhythms – all of it laying on top of each other, overlapping, dropping in and out. These opposing poles became my point of departure and in between them I wanted to explore sound, texture and scale.

I am fascinated by contemporary landscapes; the surfaces of our realities, the ease with which we can and do travel such great distances.

To that end, I don’t think that there have been specific conscious influences for this piece, but I undoubtedly have been influenced by all of my surroundings, travels and collective sharing, which makes this piece especially apropos in its theme.  It is a ‘local’ composition, but local in the contemporary sense of the global village.

In terms of musical influences for this piece, I recognize that I’ve been listening to a lot of indigenous music from all over; North African desert music to aboriginal pygmies, Siberian jaw harps to Khaen mouth organs from Laos.  Even visually, it is the archaic forms that emerge from individual and collective experiences in indigenous arts, that seem to confirm in an odd way, what I’ve been feeling from ‘terminal’ to ‘terminal’ in my contemporary life.

Could you describe the piece for us? What is the instrumentation?

My feeling from the get go was that I wanted the music to emerge organically, based around specific sound structures and themes, but I felt that beyond that, I was looking for something more alchemic, like maybe one experiences when oil painting, with color for example. This led me literally to the field, recording natural sounds that could be transformed, manipulated and combined to create synthetically organic atmospheres where we could lose a sense of boundary.

Thus digital fragmentation, musicality out of fuzz, myself with the cello, other string instruments like guitar, violin/viola, some percussion, synths, and my collaboration with the polymorphous Hahn Rowe all somehow are ingredients of what is the final instrumentation.

You are working with video artist Ursula Scherrer, who will be providing video projection for TERMINALS. Can you tell us more about the visual element of the piece?

The visual elements that Ursula brings to the table have been very influential. I have long admired her body of work and many of her existing pieces seem to fit in well with the sensibilities of this project.

Like the field recordings that I have taken and worked with, based on simple elements and then abstracted, she too will be using films that capture fragments of her surroundings, both natural and mechanical.

We decided that we wanted to show mostly works in black and white, projected on black curtains to emphasize contrast and give the added element of depth. This underlines in part the simplistic elements and forms inherent and also helps merge alchemically (somehow) the images with the soundscapes.

What was your compositional approach to TERMINALS?

In terms of composition for this piece, I consciously wanted to break away from some of the more ‘difficult’ notations that I’ve been working with in the past. Instead I really wanted to let this piece emerge from within, trusting that my meditations and focus have been sculpting this piece unconsciously for months. I wanted to explore thematic field recordings and from them feel out textures and zones that I could then compose with and/or from.

Another key element to conceptualizing this piece was the trust and respect I have for my collaborators. Over this specific period of time, we’ve been touching bases synchronistically, sharing and empathetically feeling these unique transitional points in each of our lives, rooted in emotion and yes, a lot of travel. It is a somewhat naked piece in that sense, as our foundation, along with the compositional structure is literally based on an unspoken, cathartic understanding and transformation.

So Terminals is in many ways also about these points of human connection, the points of invisible solidarity that come together when and where they must.

I have been working with Hahn for example for years now and once he was committed to the project, I began sculpting the piece leaving specific parts undefined where I knew that he would bring his own colors from his palette to fill in, from what I knew he was experiencing in parallel.

Your influences as a composer and cellist are quite diverse. I was curious if you could elaborate on the “sense of space and emptiness” you draw from East Asian music. There is something about the flux you mention in your description of TERMINALS that seems to parallel these musical characteristics. 

On space and emptiness, I am at this point yes, very influenced from diverse sources, East Asian aesthetics being one of them. Beyond the music, it is also cultural, so a tad bit hard to describe.

Parallels may exist in the music I am creating here, but my attention more simply is with creating a ‘living’ contemporary piece.  Death is a part of that.  So is the ephemeral. In the midst of all of everything, this traveling and this nonstop etc… I am interested in just being in touch with the simplicity of something / music becomes the carrier – the frequency of experiences – bare bones if you like.

Emptiness, snow blowing, wind swirls, density – as if we were the same. Or maybe an emptiness we leave behind when we’re on the go, leaving something, going to something else. Or on an airplane for 8 hours, 500mph, with nowhere else to go

What is essential

Shelley Hirsch is New + Adventurous



What is your favorite Roulette memory?

“It’s not easy to choose one memory. I began performing at Roulette in 1983 and have attended more than 100 performances there, but one thing that stands out is a performance by the late great Jerry Hunt in 1986 (?). It was one of the greatest performances I’ve ever seen/heard anywhere. Everyone in the jam packed audience was completely mesmerized. I was fortunate to perform on the same bill with him many times in the following years. He passed away in 1993. I found out that I was written in his will as someone who he would like to have access to, and perform with his work. I spent three years presenting homages to/virtual duets with him.”

Shelley Hirsch is an award winning, critically-acclaimed vocalist, composer, and storyteller whose mostly solo compositions, staged multimedia works, improvisations, radio plays, installations and collaborations have been produced and presented in concert halls, clubs, festivals, theaters, museums, galleries and on radio, film and television on 5 continents.  She has been on Roulette’s Board of Directors since 1988.

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Darius Jones is New + Adventurous


“Roulette is a haven for great artistic beings. I have always felt I can express all of me within those walls.” Darius Jones

Darius Jones is an alto saxophonist and composer who Roulette has had the privilege to present for many bold and inspiring performances.

We are pleased to announce our Members-Only Event for the Spring 2015 Season: an exclusive performance of excerpts from The Over-Soul Manual by his Elizabeth-Caroline Unit followed by an artist talk on Tuesday, April 7th.

Darius premiered the Over-Soul Manual, a collection of etudes written for a the vocal quartet called Elizabeth-Caroline Unit, at Roulette last March as part of a Jerome Foundation Residency.  The etudes are vehicles to teach each vocalist the linguistic and sonic vocabulary of an alien birthing ritual, and are built using familiar musical elements based in an alien world so the syntax and speech patterns are different from ours.

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